Lulcielid
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Cassian Andor - Star Wars Live Action series
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The Twilight Mexican
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Ehhh.
Why?
Why?
The Twilight Mexican
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I mean, I like him plenty myself. I'm just seeing less reason to do this than there was to do "Solo" -- and I saw zero need for even that.
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If I had to guess, they're testing the ability to have their, "A Star Wars Story" films act essentially as a launch episode for a live-action series, sort of the way like how Clone Wars started out with a movie. I figure that with "Solo" not doing quite as strongly, but people loving the individual characters, this might be a way for them to grow the stories around those times in ways that're interesting that even follow-up films wouldn't be able to.
If this series tests well, I'd be willing to bet that we'd get a series following Qi'ra and Crimson Dawn – since that'd also overcome the difficulties of occasionally having a few villain-focused episodes for Maul, which is a perspective that they've done in a series but never in a film (which I tl;dr'd about in the Solo thread).
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If this series tests well, I'd be willing to bet that we'd get a series following Qi'ra and Crimson Dawn – since that'd also overcome the difficulties of occasionally having a few villain-focused episodes for Maul, which is a perspective that they've done in a series but never in a film (which I tl;dr'd about in the Solo thread).
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Something else that I'd completely forgotten about that I was just reminded by on Twitter that suddenly made EVERYTHING click:
Cassian was also one of the various rebel agents who utilized the title Fulcrum. That means that there're a damned good number of ways for a story focused on him to potentially connect to some of the other threads that we've seen before. Following someone who's somewhat in a grey operating area as a spy also means giving us a way to hook into other criminal elements to help establish the when/where it takes place and what else is going on. Getting a look at what those other things might've been doing around that time is interesting. As a reminder for how many years the current shows' events take place.
Since Saw Guerrera and Enfy Nest are connected in the early Rebellion, that means that we're also likely to see what Crimson Dawn is up to, since they're an ascending power in the criminal underworld and primarily who the Cloud-Riders were working against. That means that potentially Qi'ra and Maul come attached with that, AND given the lightsaber Maul is wielding in Solo, it means that we're also already looking at a point in time when he's being hunted by the Inquisitors and the Empire, so there's plenty of opportunity for enemy-of-my-enemy moments. Especially since Clone Wars' final season is going to finally address the Siege of Mandalore, we're likely to get some additional background on Mandalore that'll serve to give development for both Maul as well as the other series The Mandalorian, but ALSO to the other main Clone Wars character we know is present at that time: Ahsoka.
And, it just so happens that at some point between those points of time, Ahsoka also joins up with the Rebellion and assumes the Fulcrum title. It's worth noting that Cassian's role as Fulcrum was as a Rebel recruiter in the Albarrio sector where the banking clans operate. Assuming that we're looking at sort of scrappy rag-tag factions growing and struggling against the oppression of the Empire, Crimson Dawn and the Rebellion seem to exist in close proximity to just about everything that's been established thus far.
It also feels like (depending on when The Mandalorian is set), it feels like they're building to have a Live Action series that exists in the gap between Episode III & IV as well as between episodes VI & VII so that they can start to pull in little pieces of things in the animated series into a live action series that's likely to appeal to the ultra-bitchy, "bla bla bla, for kids bla bla bla" side of the fandom as a way to quietly diffuse that hostility towards the other shows, especially since they'll all exist together on one platform. Additionally, leading with Diego Luna as Cassian lets them not only jumpstart with a solid minority lead, but he's also the sort of Han Solo-esque rogue character people love, while pulling him from the film that didn't get his with controversy – not to mention he's almost certainly gonna be accompanied by K-2SO who's one of the best damn droids ever (in his wonderful slightly-less-violent-but-still-charming way like HK-47 was back in Legends).
The more I dig around at what they've got to leverage here, the more that this seems like it's absolutely fucking genius from just about every possible angle.
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Cassian was also one of the various rebel agents who utilized the title Fulcrum. That means that there're a damned good number of ways for a story focused on him to potentially connect to some of the other threads that we've seen before. Following someone who's somewhat in a grey operating area as a spy also means giving us a way to hook into other criminal elements to help establish the when/where it takes place and what else is going on. Getting a look at what those other things might've been doing around that time is interesting. As a reminder for how many years the current shows' events take place.
- Solo: 10-13 BBY
- Rebels: 5 BBY
- Rogue One: 0 BBY
Since Saw Guerrera and Enfy Nest are connected in the early Rebellion, that means that we're also likely to see what Crimson Dawn is up to, since they're an ascending power in the criminal underworld and primarily who the Cloud-Riders were working against. That means that potentially Qi'ra and Maul come attached with that, AND given the lightsaber Maul is wielding in Solo, it means that we're also already looking at a point in time when he's being hunted by the Inquisitors and the Empire, so there's plenty of opportunity for enemy-of-my-enemy moments. Especially since Clone Wars' final season is going to finally address the Siege of Mandalore, we're likely to get some additional background on Mandalore that'll serve to give development for both Maul as well as the other series The Mandalorian, but ALSO to the other main Clone Wars character we know is present at that time: Ahsoka.
And, it just so happens that at some point between those points of time, Ahsoka also joins up with the Rebellion and assumes the Fulcrum title. It's worth noting that Cassian's role as Fulcrum was as a Rebel recruiter in the Albarrio sector where the banking clans operate. Assuming that we're looking at sort of scrappy rag-tag factions growing and struggling against the oppression of the Empire, Crimson Dawn and the Rebellion seem to exist in close proximity to just about everything that's been established thus far.
It also feels like (depending on when The Mandalorian is set), it feels like they're building to have a Live Action series that exists in the gap between Episode III & IV as well as between episodes VI & VII so that they can start to pull in little pieces of things in the animated series into a live action series that's likely to appeal to the ultra-bitchy, "bla bla bla, for kids bla bla bla" side of the fandom as a way to quietly diffuse that hostility towards the other shows, especially since they'll all exist together on one platform. Additionally, leading with Diego Luna as Cassian lets them not only jumpstart with a solid minority lead, but he's also the sort of Han Solo-esque rogue character people love, while pulling him from the film that didn't get his with controversy – not to mention he's almost certainly gonna be accompanied by K-2SO who's one of the best damn droids ever (in his wonderful slightly-less-violent-but-still-charming way like HK-47 was back in Legends).
The more I dig around at what they've got to leverage here, the more that this seems like it's absolutely fucking genius from just about every possible angle.
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The Twilight Mexican
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I'm glad you feel that way and are excited. I wish any of that was hitting compelling angles for me, but sadly not.
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Sure. Who cares about the Old Republic right? 
Disney will put Star Wars in its grave.
Which isn't a bad thing, if only Alien and Predator would join it. Then maybe we could tap into the vast amount of great science fiction that exists beyond them, like Ringworld or The Forever War to name but two.
inb4 some pedantic pissant tells me SW is science fantasy. I'm just saying if we're in space it doesn't have to be a galaxy far, far way or involve aliens who don't look fresh any more because CGI ruined it and the cat is out of the fucking bag anyway. Two mouths and toothy-vagina-from-hell-face, respctively. we know, big woop.
Disney will put Star Wars in its grave.
Which isn't a bad thing, if only Alien and Predator would join it. Then maybe we could tap into the vast amount of great science fiction that exists beyond them, like Ringworld or The Forever War to name but two.
inb4 some pedantic pissant tells me SW is science fantasy. I'm just saying if we're in space it doesn't have to be a galaxy far, far way or involve aliens who don't look fresh any more because CGI ruined it and the cat is out of the fucking bag anyway. Two mouths and toothy-vagina-from-hell-face, respctively. we know, big woop.
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It's definitely space fantasy and science fiction. 
Also, the EU didn't put Star Wars in its grave with all of the ridiculous things that happened there, you're high if you think that Disney's gonna kill the franchise with what it's currently doing.
Insofar as KotOR is concerned, it's definitely a good era of Star Wars to tell stories and it's popular as hell, but I don't see them tapping into that legacy until the Skywalker Saga is wrapped with Episode IX, and there's a reason to depart from the current concentration of building development up-to and around the post-RotJ era. Insofar as the 9-episode Skywalker Saga is concerned, the gaps between III & IV and VI & VII are the unexplored territory that hold the most value for that story, so that's where we're seeing most media focused, because it ties in to characters that they can actively use in multiple places at once. That's especially important when it comes to actors for live-action series, since portraying them the way they are in the films is easiest by having them play those parts while they're still the same age (although Disney is very much making strides on the anti-aging technology in their films).
Either way, the Old Republic is an era of Star Wars that's going to need to take its own time and space if they want to do it properly, and it doesn't make sense to cram in yet another era of Star Wars to fight for space and time among everything else right now. There've been plenty of seeds planted about that time/era with things like the massacre on Malachor and the "final" resting place of the Sith and Darth Bane on Moraband, but putting a focal point for diving backwards into that history needs to have its own time to stand out from everything else. I'd bet that after Episode IX and some of the current shows that're just kicking off have had a few seasons, we'll see where they land with the other films and when it makes sense to give that absolutely massive sandbox its own room to breathe.
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Also, the EU didn't put Star Wars in its grave with all of the ridiculous things that happened there, you're high if you think that Disney's gonna kill the franchise with what it's currently doing.
Insofar as KotOR is concerned, it's definitely a good era of Star Wars to tell stories and it's popular as hell, but I don't see them tapping into that legacy until the Skywalker Saga is wrapped with Episode IX, and there's a reason to depart from the current concentration of building development up-to and around the post-RotJ era. Insofar as the 9-episode Skywalker Saga is concerned, the gaps between III & IV and VI & VII are the unexplored territory that hold the most value for that story, so that's where we're seeing most media focused, because it ties in to characters that they can actively use in multiple places at once. That's especially important when it comes to actors for live-action series, since portraying them the way they are in the films is easiest by having them play those parts while they're still the same age (although Disney is very much making strides on the anti-aging technology in their films).
Either way, the Old Republic is an era of Star Wars that's going to need to take its own time and space if they want to do it properly, and it doesn't make sense to cram in yet another era of Star Wars to fight for space and time among everything else right now. There've been plenty of seeds planted about that time/era with things like the massacre on Malachor and the "final" resting place of the Sith and Darth Bane on Moraband, but putting a focal point for diving backwards into that history needs to have its own time to stand out from everything else. I'd bet that after Episode IX and some of the current shows that're just kicking off have had a few seasons, we'll see where they land with the other films and when it makes sense to give that absolutely massive sandbox its own room to breathe.
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Lulcielid
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Lulcielid
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Me when this was announced: "Who asked for this? Andor? Throwaway character from Rogue One?? Who cares???"
Well I'm always happy when creators give me something I didn't know I wanted and this is it lmao
Like, this is WAY better than it has any right to be
This is really, really compelling stuff and feels so different from any other Star Wars content
Obi-Wan felt like absolute amateur hour in comparison
Everyone go watch this
Well I'm always happy when creators give me something I didn't know I wanted and this is it lmao
Like, this is WAY better than it has any right to be
This is really, really compelling stuff and feels so different from any other Star Wars content
Obi-Wan felt like absolute amateur hour in comparison
Everyone go watch this
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Season 2 just wrapped up.
I genuinely don't think that anything else in Star Wars even comes anywhere close to how phenomenal this series is. On top of that, the ways in which it ends up being almost unbelievably poignant for the things that are happening in the world adds in a weight that's impossible to overstate in the impact that watching this season has had.
It's not just amazing for Star Wars – it's just some of the best series content I've ever seen.
Even rewatching Rogue One afterwards, and it just ends up feeling like it emphasizes how much more you can accomplish with the format of a series, because despite the weight & momentum that it carries on into A New Hope, they feel like they're almost completely different things in the way that they approach the underlying stories.
There's nothing I could recommend more highly than this, and I feel like I don't really have to words to adequately express just how damned good it is.
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I genuinely don't think that anything else in Star Wars even comes anywhere close to how phenomenal this series is. On top of that, the ways in which it ends up being almost unbelievably poignant for the things that are happening in the world adds in a weight that's impossible to overstate in the impact that watching this season has had.
It's not just amazing for Star Wars – it's just some of the best series content I've ever seen.
Even rewatching Rogue One afterwards, and it just ends up feeling like it emphasizes how much more you can accomplish with the format of a series, because despite the weight & momentum that it carries on into A New Hope, they feel like they're almost completely different things in the way that they approach the underlying stories.
There's nothing I could recommend more highly than this, and I feel like I don't really have to words to adequately express just how damned good it is.
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Leafonthebreeze
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I watched all of series one and am up to 3 on series 2 and I think I feel similarly about it's treatment of women (one woman in particular) but not enough to stop me watching the whole thing eventually.
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I am quite curious on your thoughts past that, given who I expect that you're probably both referring to in those two particular episodes.
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Bix gets to hav her personal vengeance against Gorst in Episode 6, which really shifts her role to Cassian. While he wants to protect her from things because of her past, he also ends up hitting a point where he just wants to escape somewhere and leave things behind because she's the only home that he still has any more – and the inability to do that is really what makes Cassian the biggest foil to Jyn Erso by the time of Rogue One since that's basically what Jyn HAS been doing.
Instead, Bix is the one who openly writes off things early on and is continually focused on the need to sacrifice whatever it takes to win, and lets her think about things in a way where Cassian fundamentally can't write her off like that. So she makes that impossible choice for him. It's done in a way where he's able to commit to being in a permanently highly unsafe environment that doesn't directly contribute to Bix being in danger by proximity, and instead HAS to focus on the wider conflict of the Rebellion vs. the Empire that's continually creating that same existential danger for everyone in the galaxy.
The whole season shows how bringing the people you love into this type of fight is almost always going to put them through some form of tragedy that doesn't survive out the other end, which we see with Mon Mothma & Tay Kolma, Syril & Dedra, Vel & Cinta, Carro & Enza, Lonnie & his family, Luthen & Kleya, Bix & Cassian, and plenty of others where some stage of the machinations of the conflict ends up being able to reinforce just how deeply fracturing the tyranny of the Empire spreads into every aspects of everyone's lives.
It's why I think that Wil is an important foil to their circumstances where he stays on Ghorman IN the conflict. While he remains an important part of the Rebellion, it's in a more limited capacity after his injuries, because he had to prioritize the survival of someone he cared about – and she wasn't leaving until the message got out. It shows that staying with someone you love is not the wrong answer, but that for someone in a role like what Cassian has to do it can be. It's ultimately THAT difference that forces Wil & Cass to part ways with one another on Ghorman, and eventually leads Cassian to playing the part that the Rebellion really needs from him in order to win in Rogue One.
Bix's decision to prioritize the Rebellion is one of those things that directly contributed to the destruction of the first Death Star in a way where even outside of an active contribution that we see as a part of the operations that came to be centralized on Yavin, it held a lot of weight for me in the end – especially because as an audience I knew that when she left that message, she was giving up Cassian forever because of Rogue One, but at the time she's still optimistic about a future that could still happen when the Rebels do win.
Instead, she gets to go back to Mina-Rau and build something there in a way that refused to allow that place to be solely defined by the tragedy and abuse that she experienced at the hands of the Empire there – which happened specifically without Cassian present. It's that choice that shows how, like in confronting Gorst, she doesn't allow that to shape her path for her, and is the one taking agency over that even in a different sort of way which is a necessary foundation for healing and building a post-Empire future. It's why that being the final shot that the series ends on was something that I thought meant a lot given how the other elements of the story feed directly into Rogue One and A New Hope (and is why the leitmotif for A New Hope being tucked in the final end credits and never being used in Rogue One hit in a very particular way)
Instead, Bix is the one who openly writes off things early on and is continually focused on the need to sacrifice whatever it takes to win, and lets her think about things in a way where Cassian fundamentally can't write her off like that. So she makes that impossible choice for him. It's done in a way where he's able to commit to being in a permanently highly unsafe environment that doesn't directly contribute to Bix being in danger by proximity, and instead HAS to focus on the wider conflict of the Rebellion vs. the Empire that's continually creating that same existential danger for everyone in the galaxy.
The whole season shows how bringing the people you love into this type of fight is almost always going to put them through some form of tragedy that doesn't survive out the other end, which we see with Mon Mothma & Tay Kolma, Syril & Dedra, Vel & Cinta, Carro & Enza, Lonnie & his family, Luthen & Kleya, Bix & Cassian, and plenty of others where some stage of the machinations of the conflict ends up being able to reinforce just how deeply fracturing the tyranny of the Empire spreads into every aspects of everyone's lives.
It's why I think that Wil is an important foil to their circumstances where he stays on Ghorman IN the conflict. While he remains an important part of the Rebellion, it's in a more limited capacity after his injuries, because he had to prioritize the survival of someone he cared about – and she wasn't leaving until the message got out. It shows that staying with someone you love is not the wrong answer, but that for someone in a role like what Cassian has to do it can be. It's ultimately THAT difference that forces Wil & Cass to part ways with one another on Ghorman, and eventually leads Cassian to playing the part that the Rebellion really needs from him in order to win in Rogue One.
Bix's decision to prioritize the Rebellion is one of those things that directly contributed to the destruction of the first Death Star in a way where even outside of an active contribution that we see as a part of the operations that came to be centralized on Yavin, it held a lot of weight for me in the end – especially because as an audience I knew that when she left that message, she was giving up Cassian forever because of Rogue One, but at the time she's still optimistic about a future that could still happen when the Rebels do win.
Instead, she gets to go back to Mina-Rau and build something there in a way that refused to allow that place to be solely defined by the tragedy and abuse that she experienced at the hands of the Empire there – which happened specifically without Cassian present. It's that choice that shows how, like in confronting Gorst, she doesn't allow that to shape her path for her, and is the one taking agency over that even in a different sort of way which is a necessary foundation for healing and building a post-Empire future. It's why that being the final shot that the series ends on was something that I thought meant a lot given how the other elements of the story feed directly into Rogue One and A New Hope (and is why the leitmotif for A New Hope being tucked in the final end credits and never being used in Rogue One hit in a very particular way)
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