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I think regardless of preference over Cloti or Clerith, you simply cannot deny that BOTH are the heroines of the story. And I agree about the projection. In my experience though, more CA fans throw shade at Tifa than CT fans throw shade at Aerith. However, that might just be the perception I...

Yeah, I expect it is similar to the FF Tactics, FFXII, and Vagrant Story. Those all take place in the same continuity, right? But there are huge gaps in the time periods? I suppose that makes sense. Aerith, especially all of her depiction post-death, feels a lot less relatable imo... at least...

Yeah, I've heard about several theories regarding that. I don't know much details about it unfortunately. When I played, I passed a lot of them off as just references. Like Shinra in X-2 for example.

Oh nice. If you are looking to get into more, I highly recommend FFX. (It's my favorite FF). I think Nojima was also the main scenario writer for that one, so there's some overlap there... particularly in the spirituality aspect imo. I was somewhere around 13-14 when I first experienced FF7...

Maybe he learned because he thought he could impress Tifa with it or something? Maybe Zack taught him? They were friends, after all. I bet Zack invited him to karaoke nights with Kunsel. It's weird that Aerith is the self-insert when Tifa's personality feels more down-to-earth and relatable. A...

Welcome! So you binged the entire series before the release of Rebirth? Jealous. FF7 is one of those games I wish I could wipe from my memory so I could experience it for the first time again.

I find it funny that some Cleriths respect Aerith's murderer more than Tifa.

I think a lot of them might want to put the debate to rest before retirement.

In Cloud's case, it was probably part of his training as an infantryman. Shinra would probably want to invest in their troops knowing how to operate vehicles. It's much stranger for Tifa as we know she comes to Midgar immediately after the Nibelheim Incident and is forced into the slums...

I agree. I think the big idea though is that Tifa is basically the first domino that topples all the others. Without her, Cloud is still in the same half-coma state he's in after he and Zack escape Nibelheim and none of the story happens, as he'd probably just be another black coat that showed...

Welcome! Since everyone is sharing, I suppose I'll briefly share my history. My introduction to Final Fantasy as a whole was through Kingdom Hearts, which I bought as a kid because of the Disney aspect. Also, at this time my only experience with turn-based JRPGs were of the Pokemon kind...

Yeah, they definitely want to leave things less open for interpretation. The issue is... it'll just be ignored. But like Nomura said; "Can't be helped."

I'm not sure how the devastation argument means anything. Cloud would have a similar reaction to Tifa dying, perhaps even worse. Actually to be fair, I think Cloud would have a pretty bad reaction to anyone on the team dying. I do, however, think this is a case of the promotional material and...

There's quite a bit of evidence both in-game and in developer material that both Aerith and Tifa are the heroines. This is just a case of "Tifa cannot be equal to Aerith" because they see that as a threat to their favorite character/ship.

People can argue over endgame, but you cannot imply that Tifa isn't also the heroine of the story. She's just as relevant as Aerith, for different reasons.

I've never seen those except for the Ultimania ones. That's interesting actually. I'm glad we know have gotten to the point where all this is readily available or I'd never have known.

I think that even in that case, the cope will then just move to the next thing. They'll say Zack is just the Cloud waiting room so she has someone to spend time with until Cloud arrives. And that Tifa is the Aerith waiting room.

I suppose as the years go by, it gets easier and easier to see promotional material in Japan at a much faster rate. Much of the stuff I saw pre-2020 always seemed neutral to me.

Make no mistake, people. Even if Part 3 is definitively Cloti, the next cope will almost certainly be a romantic reunion in the Lifestream.