FFVII REMAKE CONFIRMED

[Odysseus]

Thats... weird. at least it's not straight up micro transactions.

 

[Makoeyes987]

And come on, who hates Butterfingers or Nestle Crunch? Thats like, the best choices they could have done. They're yummy.

If it were Snickers then it'd be like... Perfection.

 

[Tetsujin]

The most interesting thing is the Tifa theme. How do I get that shit outside the US?

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Ugh.

 

[Saven]

*feeds Black Chocobo 20 Butterfingers*
*Speed has increased by 255*
*This Chocobo seems a helluva lot happier now*

That's.......strange. At least it wasn't nowhere near as bad as the title of that article made it out to be.

I also eat Butterfingers all the time and get them every other week at the store, so I will definitely be taking advantage of this.

 

[SeaDragon]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1232723510780448769

Now I need to buy those snacks

 

[Jairus]

Can anyone remember when everything you could get in a game could actually be gotten just in the game itself?

 

[Maidenofwar]

Yikes I remember when 24/7s and other places have done stuff like this that before and that was the only way to get the stuff … will this be a US only thing or?

 

[Jairus]

Oh and it amuses me when companies and such try to put limits on a natively infinite resource - digital files aren't like physical goods, they can be copied infinitely with zero cost of reproduction.

 

[Ite]

I just gave up those things because I cut out palm oil. Fuck this.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I'm really sorry but American candy bars are blegh.
Ite we could always buy them and then just throw them away. I somehow feel that would be caving in to rampant capitalism, though. Maybe buy them and pile them up in your Halloween stash to give away in October? Oh but I bet you have to unwrap them to get the secret code or whatever.

 

[ForceStealer]

I couldn't care less about what are surely throwaway armor bits or whatever that the game is balanced for without. Do whatever they want. I don't anticipate using the preorder summons more than once either.

 

[Clean Cut Chaos]

Oh fantastic. DLC and diabetes.

 

[Odysseus]

Oh but I bet you have to unwrap them to get the secret code or whatever.

The code would be on the receipt probably

 

[Maidenofwar]

Ohh I think I read it wrong. I thought it was offering an exclusive musical theme track for Tifa a new piece of music or something not just a console background

 

[Ite]

Does anyone else feel that this totally undermines the entire point of FF7? Like, getting into bed with a capitalist venture — an American candy bar company of all things — that unapologetically uses palm oil, one of the most environmentally destructive products — makes the whole thing feel really cheap? Like it makes the fight against Shinra Inc. feel really hollow?

I don’t know. This really feels like the straw that breaks the camel’s back for me. It’s just... wtf

 

[Odysseus]

Don't forget that square is still a giant corporation that's bottom line is cold hard profit. It's not like the remake creative team decided this.

 

[Jairus]

So does that mean then that Square is becoming Shinra?

 

[Ite]

Without a hint of irony: yes. This feels like such a betrayal. Like it’s one thing to live within a broken system and tell stories that cause people to question that system, and another thing entirely to celebrate that system by asking your audience to participate more in that system.

If their goal was to remind me that their intentions are impure, message fucking received.

 

[Odysseus]

Is this really the first time you're questioning Square's integrity?

 

[Ite]

Is this really the first time you're questioning Square's integrity?

By no stretch. And don’t get me wrong, despite my attempts to limit my consumption, to vote with my dollar, and behave as ethically as possible, I still choose to exist within the framework of a capitalist, colonialist, resource-extraction society, because the alternative is AVALANCHE-levels of extremism and I’m more of a Reeve than a Barret, I’m not too proud to admit. But, like Vash the Stampede thanking the tuna in his sandwich before he eats it, there’s an ethical equivocation that comes with any transaction I make, and it’s a no-brainer when it comes to art. I pay money for a product, that money goes to the team that brought me that product, and I trust that the producers and artists have reached an arrangement that allows those artists to continue surviving and providing for their loved ones within the broken framework of the capitalist society, and encourages them to continue striving to share their art, their stories, and their questions.

(That trust of course is constantly shaken by the AAA industry and isn’t that something we’re hoping to change? Or have we given up on that?)

FF7 was the first piece of media I consumed that had a perspective beyond the Western anthropocentric capitalist bent. It was a story that, ironically, started me on the questioning path that led me to now properly reconsidering purchasing FF7R.

 

[oty]

Wouldn't this candy bar situation qualify as a deal though? It certainly will benefit the creators of this product of art, as any financial deal should. I am sorry, but considering this a "last straw" type of situation just feels extremely oblivious to anything else Square has done, in a long time. It's not like Square has changed after the release of FFVII. If anything, you should take FFVII as their most hypocritical product yet, since it is as close as you can imagine to a tripleA undertaking back in the 90s, with massive sums of money and resources being spent into making it. And we all know what tripleA undertaking means (looks at unreasonable crunching time, bad pay, etc). Hell, the original VII also wasnt exempt of Square's actions either. A lot of stuff went down that, if you look at it impartially, you can very much compare it today's "cashgrabs".

 

[Ite]

I’d be interested in learning more about the ways in which the original FF7 wasn’t produced ethically, or in what ways Square practiced bad faith marketing schemes. Certainly I can guarantee that candy-bar-insentivising micro-DLC wasn’t in the game. Jairus already nostalgically reminisced about when we could actually complete a game by buying it.

The closest thing I can remember is a FFIX Coke commercial, which didn’t insectivise the sale of Coca-Cola by gatekeeping FFIX’s game data behind a code under the bottle cap or anything.

What feels particularly gross about this is that if I want to get every item in the game, I must not only giving my money to the team, but to a candy manufacturer who was not involved in the making of the game, but rather is profiting off of a marketing scheme. It feels very wrong.

Edit: When I said “straw that broke the camel’s back” I was referring to my myriad other concerns about the direction of this project, which, if I do end up deciding to forego the Remake, will be listed in a farewell rant, I’m sure. It’s really scary to think about what will happen if I decide not to get it, but at this moment, going through with playing the Remake feels more like a “stay together for the kids” thing than something I actually want to do.

 

[Jairus]

Mentioning FFIX reminds me of PlayOnline and that travesty of a strategy guide that was the Bradygames guide. It was practically useless since all the information you really wanted to know was locked up on PlayOnline, which hasn't existed in decades.

 

[ForceStealer]

Damn, beat me to it