Missing the Forest for the Mana Tree, Let's Play Secret of Mana, Blind!

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
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Secret of Mana?

Secret of Mana is a Squaresoft game released in 1993 after its original development had to be halted because the system it was intended to be for- the Nintendo Playstation- was cancelled. Specifically, it was one half of a game that was to be developed as a release title for the machine. One half became this game, and the the other half became Crono Trigger, which might explain a lot of superficially similar elements, like the looks of the main characters, same screen battles, and the like.
The game is also the second in the Seiken Densetsu or Mana series of adventure games, the first being released for Gameboy, and known as Final Fantasy Adventure in the states. It's a gorgeous game with a pretty good plot, somewhat hampered by hardware limitations meaning the translation was seriously reduced in content and detail. Such was the way of things in the early 90s. The basic premise is that you're a young boy who finds a sword, gets thrown in on an adventure, and has to save the world. It's more complicated, but no need to get into that just yet.

This Commercial is a pretty good example of the 90s too

As a Cooperative Action RPG, it's a great game to make a friend stumble around quasi-blind in. So that's what I'm doing.

Quasi-Blind? Co-Op

So, one of the niftiest things about this game is that it supports up to three player simultaneous play. I'm playing the game with my good friend QB, who never got to play it growing up, and we are keeping her blind on most plot details until they come up. She's not looking anything up, and I'm not telling her anything if I can help it. I have played the game the whole way through a few times, but my last full playthrough was around a decade ago, and I'm not checking guides for directions, enemy stats, or anything. I'm going purely on memory. Sort of the one eyed man leading the blind. This is also going to be the first playthrough that I've done co-op start to finish. That might make it easier, or harder. We'll see.

So what are we in for?

QB and I are playing the game together, and recording our commentary as we play. I'm going to split our recordings up as naturally as I can into digestible videos for your enjoyment. We might get a third person in later to play, but that's up in the air.
For this first three episodes, our Microphone Audio occasionally gets overwhelmed by in game audio, which I could not change due to a screwup in the recording phase. In a few others, our records suffer from unusual errors, like recording zero system audio, or the introduction of random distortion into our audio channels that has no apparent cause. Please bear with us as best you can.

Spoilers

I know the plot, and QB doesn't check SA, but please put spoilers behind tags in case I decide to show her the thread. You can also freely discuss the rest of the series without tags, just leave upcoming plot/ boss details in the tags for now.

Schedule

We're going through the game at a fairly brisk pace- we're through Undine's trial as of this post- and I'll try and post updates twice a week. That might go up or down depending on job schedules.

Important Characters

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The Boy, AKA Randi- This dude is the main character, he fights with a sword to start. As main character, he just gets weapons. That's it. But his physical stats make him a tank and he gets weapon experience super quickly. His reasons for adventuring are "A sword/ Old Man/ Luka told me to" AKA: I got kicked out of town and have nothing better to do. QB is going to be manning him for the game unless circumstances arise such that the boy isn't available in combat, due to being dead or what not.

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The Girl, AKA: Primm. Or Purim. Either/ Or- A noble of Pandora, her motivation for joining the quest is essentially "My boyfriend needs help." I'm not boiling this down. He stated goal is to give needed assistance to Dyluck, who we have met with a group of men attempting to lead an assault on the forest witch's manor. Her starting weapon is the Brass Knuckle, and she's actually the well rounded character stats wise, doing alright in both physical and magical fights, though she doesn't have much in the way of attack magic, being as she's the healer/ support bot. She does get a couple of really good attack spells later, though, and her healing and support NEVER stop being useful after you get them.
I'm going to be the one in control of her throughout the game.

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The Sprite, AKA: Popoi- this young forest child- referred to as a he several points in the dub, but of deliberately vague gender in the original- is the game's Black mage. Possessing almost all of the game's offensive magic and the magical stats to back it up, the sprite unfortunately has the physical stats to reflect that role as well, and so it will fall over in a stiff breeze if you don't keep it well away from the fight and an eye on its HP. It can trivialize boss fights if you have the MP and let it go wild.
The Sprite, when you meet it, has lost its memory after being literally washed from its former home during a flood, and is acting as a con-man with the dwarf elder in their village. After you catch the duo talking about their scheme, the sprite joins your party in the hopes of regaining its lost memories and finding its way home.
Our Sprite is named after someone who may or may not be joining us in future recordings.

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, Alternately, [timg]http://lpix.org/2615949/SwordWatts.png[/timg] or [timg]http://lpix.org/2615950/Watts_(LoM_Artwork).png[/timg]
Watts- AKA: Your best damn friend- Watts here isn't a playable character, but he is a Densetsu series staple, the equivalent of Cid, as it were. He's always a blacksmith, and you usually need his help in some way to proceed. In Secret of Mana, that comes in the form of the Rock breaker Axe that lets you progress through the forest, but Watt's real purpose is to be your one stop shop for all things weapons, letting you upgrade the weapons on your ring with the Orbs taken from felled bosses, not only making them stronger, but allowing you to level them up further and charge them with extra power. He's also pretty chill about pretty much everything. Watts is a pretty cool dude.

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or [timg]http://lpix.org/2663540/SOMFlammie2.png[/timg]

This is Flammie, last of the white dragons. He's related to the purplish dragons flying around the seasons forest, but he's a slightly different breed. He's also a baby, despite being the same size as them, and not yet ready to fly. He is adorable and he's being raised by King Truffles. That is all.

Weapon and Magic Overviews-

Magic Overview #1- Covers the first three magic types.

Magic Overview #2- Introducing the fire Spirit Salamandoer!

Secret of Mana Weapons Roster Part 1- All the shit we have so far! All the weapons we've seen up through episode 30.

I'll add more here as episodes go on.

Playlist
Episode 00- The Opening

Episode 01- None of the Work, All of the Credit

Episode 02- Such a Pretty Name for a Girl

Episode 03- Does no one want me?

Episode 04- Punch McMans!

Episode 05- Low Rent Strongbad

Episode 06 - When was our last save point, again?

Episode 07- More Issues than X-men

Episode 08- "Run, Run!" "I'm Trying!"

Episode 09- Watts has a Sweet Ass

Episode 10- Puns Sans Frontières

Episode 11- The Dark Souls of Super Nintendo

Episode 12- Abandon all skill, Ye who enter here!

Episode 13- Moonwalkin' for the Win.

Episode 14- Okay, Sailor Moon Guy

Episode 15- Die, Tomato Man!

Episode 16- Remember when we were talking about your Fursona?

Episode 17- Three fire emojis out of Five

Episode 18- A Fishy! Kill it...

Episode 19- Why can't I equip Trash Can?

Episode 20- I'm going in a circle, you Asshole!

Episode 21- Happy Friendly Mushroom Land

Episode 22- It has a Scenic Vista

Episode 23- Are we about to get wrecked by another fucking boss?

Episode 24- I'mma grind offscreen

Episode 25- Throw the Icebox into the Trash

Episode 26- How does a Dog know Magic?

Episode 27- 'Die Monster!' 'You don't belong in this world...'

Episode 28- Trajectories aren't SCIENCE, Tim!

Episode 29- I like Fiery Death more, but Okay

Episode 30- Mana Seeds Ruin Christmas

Episode 31- That Wood Paneling is so Sexy
 
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Kai Schulen

... ... ...▼
AKA
Trainer Red
Ryu, I was about to say "HOLY SHIT HOW HAVE YOU NEVER HAVE PLAYED SECRET OF MANA" but then I saw that you were playing with your friend who never played it. My jimmies were not rustled, and I can rest easy.

It's been a few years since I last played Secret of Mana. I don't think I beat it the last time I played, mostly because grinding for hours on end for certain items to drop kinda kills off the fun.
...Also, playing single player is less fun than playing it with 2-3 players.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
In Today's episode we get a new playable character, and that means we get a new character introduction!

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The Sprite, AKA: Popoi- this young forest child- referred to as a he several points in the dub, but of deliberately vague gender in the original- is the game's Black mage. Possessing almost all of the game's offensive magic and the magical stats to back it up, the sprite unfortunately has the physical stats to back it up, and so he will fall over in a stiff breeze if you don't him well away from the fight and an eye on his HP. He can trivialize boss fights if you have the MP and let him go wild.
The sprite, when you meet it, has lost its memory after being literally washed from its former home during a flood, and is acting as a con-man with the dwarf elder in their village. After you catch the duo talking about their scheme,, the sprite joins your party in the hopes of regaining its lost memories and finding its way home.

All that to say, it's time for another episode, folks.

Episode 07- More Issues than X-men
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Today's episode sees us leaving the Witch's forest and heading to the Water Temple, but we detour to Gaia's navel, so now's as good a time as any to introduce another character!

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, Alternately,
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or
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Watts- AKA: Your best damn friend- Watts here isn't a playable character, but he is a Densetsu series staple, the equivalent of Cid, as it were. He's always a blacksmith, and you usually need his help in some way to proceed. In Secret of Mana, that comes in the form of the Rock breaker Axe that lets you progress through the forest, but Watt's real purpose is to be your one stop shop for all things weapons, letting you upgrade the weapons on your ring with the Orbs taken from felled bosses, not only making them stronger, but allowing you to level them up further and charge them with extra power. He's also pretty chill about pretty much everything. Watts is a pretty cool dude.

Of course, Watts does have another notable feature...

Episode 09- Watts has a Sweet Ass
 

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Mr. Thou
AKA
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FINALLY. I was starting to think you weren't buying cups of wishes on purpose. Or just being hardcore and waiting for Dryad.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
FINALLY. I was starting to think you weren't buying cups of wishes on purpose. Or just being hardcore and waiting for Dryad.

Also your friend thinking gnome got murdered was priceless. :lol:

Nope, just bad at remembering to check for them. I made sure to have a full stock of items on hand for our next recording session, which is on a slightly different save file from the one for this session, due to me losing track of the original file and needing to use a slightly older backup.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Okay, new Spirit, new Magic Overview!

This time, it's the Fire Spirit:

SALAMANDER

Official Art

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and more recently
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In Game Sprite
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Salamander, or Salamando as the character limits, is the spirit of fire and thus DAMAGE. Even the girl's spells do damage, in addition to their effects. Well, other than flame Saber, but flame saber. You find him after he has been kidnapped from the flame temple by the Scorpion gang to create an artificial tropical resort town in the middle of the frigid north. Because that makes sense, right?

Girl's spells

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Fire Bouquet: 3 MP to cast, damages enemies and throws an attack debuff on them as well.

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Blaze Wall: 4 MP to cast, stops enemies in place and deals damage to them.

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Flame Saber, 2 MP to cast, Makes weapons fire elemental to hit weaknesses. Yay.

Sprite's spells

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Fireball: 2MP to cast, DAMAGE.

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Lava Wave: 3 MP to cast, MORE DAMAGE.

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Exploder: 4 MP to cast, MORER DAMAGE.

Salamander knows what he's good at, and he plays to that strength.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Hey folks. Regular updates should resume next week, since I've finally gotten around to editing the last recording session.

Until then, have a Post on all the various swords, spears, axes and whatnots we've encountered in this thread so far. As I get new weapon orbs and forge new weapons, I'll post updates with additional information.
Remember, all of these attributes change when you upgrade a weapon, and do not stack. So for example, the Moogle Claws do not keep the Power Glove's extra effectiveness against insects and fish.

Secret of Mana Weapons Roster Part 1- All the shit we have so far!

Every weapon Category has 8 weapon orbs and 9 weapons of that type, except the Sword because gimmicks. We'll get to that WAY at the end of the game.


SWORDS are usually the third strongest weapon at a given level, and attack quickly, with good accuracy. Swords can cut vegetation.

Rusty Sword
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ATK 3 : Pulled from the stone at the base of the cliff, it has no special attributes.

Broad Sword
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ATK 8: Orb recieved from the Mantis ant, the first boss of the game. Called the Cutlass in the iOS remake. Says it Raises Agility/Evade%, it raises Agil by a whopping 1.

Herald Sword
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ATK 14: Orb Found in Pandoran Treasury, or in a catchup chest in the Moogle Village. Extra damage against slimes and lizards.

Claymore
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ATK 20: Orb received from the Great Viper. Stronger against insects.



AXES knock down obstacles, like vegetation and small rocks. Roughly on par damage wise with Axes, but have longer attack animations once charged.

Watt's Axe
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ATK 4: Pay Watts 100G to get this Sweet Axe that got held a little too close to the rusty Mana sword.

Lode Axe
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ATK 11: Orb received from the Fire Gigas. Deals extra damage to plants and fish. Why? I don't know.

Stout Axe
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ATK 16: Orb found in the Moogle Village. Says it increases Con by 2. It's even lying about this paltry sum and increases it only by 1 instead.



SPEARS tend to be the most powerful weapons along with axes, more accurate, but with longer animation windups when charged.

Spear
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ATK 4: Given to you by Luka. It stabs good.

Heavy Spear
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ATK 11: Orb recieved from the Tropicallo. Has no special ability

Sprite's Spear
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ATK 16: Found in the Pandoran Treasury, or in Santa's house if you miss the first one. Randomly applies Balloon status to enemies.

Partisan
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ATK 23: Found in Santa's House. Strong versus Slimes and Lizards.



GLOVES tend to be a point or two weaker than the Sword, but very accurate, with very little windup on their charge attack animations.

Spike Knuckle
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ATK 2: The girl comes wearing these. She's ready to coldcock a bitch if needed.

Power Glove
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ATK 6: Recieved from the Biting Lizard (You know, the asshole lizard that eats you). Contrary to reports, it is not 'so bad.' Effective vs Insects.

Moogle Claws
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ATK 11: Found in the Moogle Village. Randomly KOs enemies, this can be a boon or bane, depending on if the enemy can still be hit while in their KO pose

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ATK 17: Found in the temple of Ice. Ups Int and Wis by 1. Boring, but effective.



WHIPS are the longest Melee weapon, longer than some ranged weapons, whips have the special ability to drag the party between posts on the map. Not technically a long range weapon, as it does not seem to ignore the Z axis like the proper ranged weapons can.

Whip
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ATK 2: In a chest right after defeating Elinee's tiger pet. No added abilities.

Black Whip
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ATK 6: Orb found in a chest in the Scorpion Army ship. Randomly inflicts slow on foes.

Backhand Whip
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ATK 12: Jema frabjously gives you this orb after beating the Jabberwocky. Gives you +1 Agi. Not useless, but underwhelming.

Chain Whip
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ATK- Recieved from fighting Mech Rider in the desert. Extra damage to slimes and lizards.



BOWS are much shorter range than you'd expect, and their hitbox is a bit persnickity but they hit flying enemies, ignore the Z-axis, and have no windup time for charge attacks. There's also only art for the Chobin's bow, as far as I can find.

Chobin's Bow
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ATK 3: Given to you by the dwarf elder. Whee...

Short Bow
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ATK 8: Don't get crushed by Wall Face and you get this orb. Still no special powers

Long Bow
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ATK 14: Received from going Snicker-Snack on the Jabberwocky. Strong vs animals and beasts.

Great Bow
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ATK 20: Recieved from Boreal Face. Randomly confuses enemies.



BOOMERANGS, which switch between being a boomerang, flying disc, throwing axe, and more depending on the level, are proper ranged weapons, which means they can hit enemies even if they are on a different Z-plane than the heroes. Has a slight windup for charge attacks, but much better hitbox for the projectile.

Boomerang
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ATK 2: The sprite starts with this.

Chakram
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ATK 6: Orb recieved from Spikey Tiger. Strong against Slimes and Lizards. Good for all your warrior princess needs.

Lode Boomerang
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ATK 12: Orb received from spring beak. Slows enemies down. You would slow down too if this clonked into you at speed.

Rising Sun
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ATK 17: Recieved from Santa The frost Gigas. No special effects.


JAVELINS are the last weapon type you get, almost as an afterthought. Undine just sort of goes "Oh, uh, Here." Still, ranged weapon.

Pole Dart
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ATK 2: Undine hands it over when you acquire her as a spirit.

Javelin
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ATK 6: Orb received from Killing Kilroy. No additional effects

Light Trident
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ATK 12: Orb Found in Fung Castle. Strong vs Animals and Beasts.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Due to circumstances preventing recordings, I'm slowing down the release of episodes to one a week for the moment. Now, you may have noticed that last episode I picked up two new Weapon orbs and immediately ran to Watts and his stupid sexy Axe to go turn them into weapon upgrades. That means it's time for another Weapon Roundup!

Secret of Mana Weapons Roster Part 3- NorthTown Ruins Exterior

Halberd
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ATK 29: Found on the outside of the Northtown Ruins. Chance of confusing enemies.


Bow of Hope
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ATK 27: Found on the outside of the Northtown Ruins. Extra damage versus evil and undead enemies.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
AKA
Tim, Ryu
Since We upgraded our weapons, though technicall off screen, It's time for another


Secret of Mana Weapons Roster Part 4- NorthTown Ruins Spoils

Flail of Hope

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ATK 24: Received from the Doom's Wall. Effective vs Evil and Undead.

Oreo Red Cleaver

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ATK 24: Received from the Vampire. Effective vs Insects.

There's also another orb I missed inside the ruins, but I do plan on going back for it.

Also, what with the empire, we can have a few new people of interest! And the actual weapon upgrades from the last episode too.
 
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