SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

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r_monk said:
Yeah the entire thing just felt off and sad to me. Aerith is clearly having a slightly manic moment grasping for some sweetness before the end—it's clear she knows she's going to die. And that all coinciding with the fever pitch of Cloud's mental collapse leading up to the dream sequence. Ugh.
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Yeah, it was really sad. It's even worse if you watch Red's HA date scene and then watch the ending right after (did I do that? Yes bc I like pain)
 
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liuliuliu said:
I’m surprised when I saw everyone is happy with the trilogy leads to ACC. I mean ACC even though they tried really hard is a bad movie. The graphic is awesome, But thinking about Cloud abandoning his family for weeks just iterated me. This is not the Cloud from the game. And if they need several novels to explain a movie, it is not great storytelling.
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Trust me, I have the urge to bitch about AC every single time it’s mentioned. I only find the strength to stfu out of respect for the fans who enjoy it.
 
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You guys have got me so scared to get to the end. I’m at the beginning of Chapter 12 and am doing side quests.

I’m not a fan of AC either btw. I would really like for them to remake it after the trilogy and do it better.
 
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starcape91 said:
You guys have got me so scared to get to the end. I’m at the beginning of Chapter 12 and am doing side quests.

I’m not a fan of AC either btw. I would really like for them to remake it after the trilogy and do it better.
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I just told someone I would rather eat glass than rewatch AC. I would also love a remake sans the Three Stooges.
 
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Maybe the trilogy will lead to AC but since Sephiroth will be purged from the Lifestream there will be no Geostigma and we’ll get a different story. Maybe less grayscale too. One where Cloud is more like the post-Lifestream dork Cloud.

Extremely low chance of that. But would be nice. Retcon AC!
 
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Had an interesting thought.. though it's probably no more than a thought, i'll share it here too.

Looking at the S5 Dream Date, I also wonder if it's an allegory for player choice too. As in, yeah you can make Cloud choose different paths whether that's who to date or what dialogue option to select, but in the end it doesn't matter because Cloud is only presented with the option that the story/narrative presents, hence why no matter what you pick on this date he's forced by the NPC's themselves to only go with the option they present to him. You can choose to romance one girl in the game, but the reality is that the story is pushing you in another direction kinda deal? Probably nothing just popped into my head

Also regarding AC It wouldn't surprise me if they did something in P3 regarding it.. even if that's just a soft remake of some scenes, or maybe an post AC epilogue at the end.. it'd be nice to see something since I doubt they'd remake the entire film, it would probably feel like a waste of money on their part at this point.
 
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I've realized that their commentary about the remake project being the final entry in the compilation can mean a lot of things since they added CC to the project as well, they could easily add AC and DoC as well.
 
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Rin said:
Wait... now I want this real bad 😭 Can they at least make it a mini game?
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My only real complaint for FFVIIR is that they don't let me eat or drink or cook or fish!!!! Like seriously there's dog soccer but no cooking?? :((((
 
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starcape91 said:
Maybe the trilogy will lead to AC but since Sephiroth will be purged from the Lifestream there will be no Geostigma and we’ll get a different story. Maybe less grayscale too. One where Cloud is more like the post-Lifestream dork Cloud.

Extremely low chance of that. But would be nice. Retcon AC!
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This is what I want too and I liked Advent Children haha. But it wasn't a happy ending and I would like that for our characters.
 
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shady said:
Looking at the S5 Dream Date, I also wonder if it's an allegory for player choice too. As in, yeah you can make Cloud choose different paths whether that's who to date or what dialogue option to select, but in the end it doesn't matter because Cloud is only presented with the option that the story/narrative presents, hence why no matter what you pick on this date he's forced by the NPC's themselves to only go with the option they present to him. You can choose to romance one girl in the game, but the reality is that the story is pushing you in another direction kinda deal? Probably nothing just popped into my head
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I would agree it's an allegory for choice but not necessarily in the way you frame it. For me Remake and Rebirth have been largely about the illusion of choice. I feel like one of the main themes of the game is that you can't change destiny. You can alter the journey and do things differently - but the end result will always be the same. So I saw Aeriths increasingly manic behaviour during the date as her realising that she can't fight fate. I think romance is perhaps a part of this, but ultimately I think these themes have a larger importance than that one aspect of it.

Just like I saw someone theorising that the empty white material had to do with Aeriths interactions with Cloud being meaningless. But I didn't really get anything LTD related from the materia thing - instead I thought it was really interesting that we found out the materia is connected to memories.. and when Aerith seemingly gets her memories back with the possession of the white materia from the other timeline - she hands the empty materia to Cloud, who is devoid of his memory.
Even more interesting is that it seems to me that the materia seems to be corrupted by his false memories and persona in the end. I'll be interested to see what happens to that materia when he gains his memories back.
 
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faefolk said:
I would agree it's an allegory for choice but not necessarily in the way you frame it. For me Remake and Rebirth have been largely about the illusion of choice. I feel like one of the main themes of the game is that you can't change destiny. You can alter the journey and do things differently - but the end result will always be the same. So I saw Aeriths increasingly manic behaviour during the date as her realising that she can't fight fate. I think romance is perhaps a part of this, but ultimately I think these themes have a larger importance than that one aspect of it.

Just like I saw someone theorising that the empty white material had to do with Aeriths interactions with Cloud being meaningless. But I didn't really get anything LTD related from the materia thing - instead I thought it was really interesting that we found out the materia is connected to memories.. and when Aerith seemingly gets her memories back with the possession of the white materia from the other timeline - she hands the empty materia to Cloud, who is devoid of his memory.
Even more interesting is that it seems to me that the materia seems to be corrupted by his false memories and persona in the end. I'll be interested to see what happens to that materia when he gains his memories back.
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This 1000%. Thanks for articulating it so well.
 
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Hi. I'm Sakura 🌸 Happy to be here and meet you.
I used to be on the Forgotten City forums as KageSakura decade and change back and I think I remember you and some others there but I usually just lurk so I think this is our first time interacting. I enjoy reading your posts too. ^^ And yeah I really just appreciate what we got. No need to try to win, just to find joy.

I guess I rep multiple ships lol since I'm a multishipper. I like CT and ZA too. I have nothing against any ship really. But my OTPs are actually CA and Aeriseph (which is not even a little bit canon but hey the heart wants what it wants lol)
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Thank you :joy:

Oh wow a lot has happened in ten years or so, real life can be tough, I need the escapism of video games sometimes. Heheh I get that, we were robbed of early initial content AeriSeph when they changed that dynamic.

Welcome back to Eerie also.
 
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starcape91 said:
Just did a side quest in Gongaga and Cissnei talks about Zack. Confirms she never saw him as more than a friend but misses him, and said she feels guilty for stealing a part of his life from him. Then she says “Now I know what he saw in you” to Aerith. 😭
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Oh shoot, which side quest is this? I blew through a few because I wanted to get to the story beats.
 
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faefolk said:
I would agree it's an allegory for choice but not necessarily in the way you frame it. For me Remake and Rebirth have been largely about the illusion of choice. I feel like one of the main themes of the game is that you can't change destiny. You can alter the journey and do things differently - but the end result will always be the same. So I saw Aeriths increasingly manic behaviour during the date as her realising that she can't fight fate. I think romance is perhaps a part of this, but ultimately I think these themes have a larger importance than that one aspect of it.

Just like I saw someone theorising that the empty white material had to do with Aeriths interactions with Cloud being meaningless. But I didn't really get anything LTD related from the materia thing - instead I thought it was really interesting that we found out the materia is connected to memories.. and when Aerith seemingly gets her memories back with the possession of the white materia from the other timeline - she hands the empty materia to Cloud, who is devoid of his memory.
Even more interesting is that it seems to me that the materia seems to be corrupted by his false memories and persona in the end. I'll be interested to see what happens to that materia when he gains his memories back.
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Interesting take on the White Materia. Regarding the White Materia in the end:
Are you sure it was “corrupted” by Cloud? It seems like he just put it back in his pocket and then picked up the Black Materia.

Nevertheless, I’m really glad that the White Materia is seemingly going to be used as a plot device in Part 3 since in OG it kinda just falls and is never seen again. I like the theory where the White Materia will play a role in Cloud gaining back his memories in the Lifestream sequence with Tifa, similar to how it seems like Aerith “gained back” her powers/memories when Cloud handed her the White Materia in the Sleeping Forest.
 
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starcape91 said:
Just did a side quest in Gongaga and Cissnei talks about Zack. Confirms she never saw him as more than a friend but misses him, and said she feels guilty for stealing a part of his life from him. Then she says “Now I know what he saw in you” to Aerith. 😭
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I think Cissnei is the type that has to constantly explain that she's not hitting on everyone. Poor girl has resting love interest face.
 
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starcape91 said:
Just did a side quest in Gongaga and Cissnei talks about Zack. Confirms she never saw him as more than a friend but misses him, and said she feels guilty for stealing a part of his life from him. Then she says “Now I know what he saw in you” to Aerith. 😭
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This side quest made me really sad. I was talking to a friend about it earlier and I think Cissnei's feelings for Zack are pretty complicated. As she says, she feels guilty for stealing a large part of his life from him. We know in CC that he felt pretty antagonistic toward her at the end, too, and while I'm sure he would forgive her if they ever got to talk for real, there's a wound there that may never heal.

On one hand, she's the reason he got away at all but even so he never made it back to Aerith. And she's been trying to absolve her guilt by helping Gongaga and his parents but it's clearly still eating her up inside. We also know from another side quest that
she's still in contact with the Turks
so it seems unlikely that she doesn't know that Zack is dead.

If true, she's doing his parents a disservice by not being honest and that makes everything more complicated bc then she would lose the family she was so gracefully adopted into when she has nothing and no one else.
 
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r_monk said:
Oh shoot, which side quest is this? I blew through a few because I wanted to get to the story beats.
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There's 2 quests for her and I forget what they're called but in the first one Aerith and Cloud go and collect mushrooms for her to make soup for Zack's parents & then her and Aerith cook the soup together even though they both can't cook. It's really, really cute.

In the second one, Cloud and Aerith handle some monsters for her and you get to ask her one question out of a choice of three. If you ask who she's waiting for, she'll allude to Zack and then say she sees what Zack saw in Aerith. She says, "Right?" to Cloud as if to back her up on her thought process but Cloud is clueless and doesn't get what she's talking about lmao
 
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Rin said:
There's 2 quests for her and I forget what they're called but in the first one Aerith and Cloud go and collect mushrooms for her to make soup for Zack's parents & then her and Aerith cook the soup together even though they both can't cook. It's really, really cute.

In the second one, Cloud and Aerith handle some monsters for her and you get to ask her one question out of a choice of three. If you ask who she's waiting for, she'll allude to Zack and then say she sees what Zack saw in Aerith. She says, "Right?" to Cloud as if to back her up on her thought process but Cloud is clueless and doesn't get what she's talking about lmao
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Ahhhhh, I think I did the first but not the second. Welp. Was gonna replay to tidy up all the side quests anyway!
 
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